Eyewitness News sat down with Julie Ann Kibe, who is the hypnotist/mentalist and owner of The Key Hypnosis. Here is the full question and answer session:
Question: Why don't you tell us your name and tell us what you do.
Answer: My name is Julie Ann Kibe. And what I do is work as a hypnotist / mentalist teaching people how to control their appetites and their foods and to control their diabetes and get off of most of their medications that are caused, that the illness is caused from obesity.
Q: You have a lot of clients.
A: Somewhere around ... well, depending on which office I'm in, I think I've seen around 15,000.
Q: How long have you been open?
A: Well, this ... I've been doing it under the Key Hypnosis I think for ten or eleven years. But before that I just, I didn't have a name. I worked with many professionals who would set up in areas like Sheraton Inns and hotels and clinics because of my ability to ... the world calls it hypnosis and I guess that's what I am doing. But I do it in a different style than anyone's ever seen.
Q: These are not one on one sessions. It's a group of many people in this room.
A: Thirty five to thirty six is my average size group and I do it two to three times a day, four hours a session.
Q: If I were to come in, what is the experience like?
A: Three sessions. I see you three sessions. I see you once, I see you again in a week, I see you again in two weeks. We try to stay with your group because what each group needs might be different than the next group, so some things change. You sit with me for four hours, but if you ever talk to them, they'll tell you it feels like two. They get confused. They'll say two or four, but mostly they think it's two.
Q: In hypnosis, how do you get them there?
A: I don't know how to explain it to you. Hypnosis is a language. It's an ancient language that all human beings have been able to speak from the beginning of time. You already speak it. And I just understand that and I just start speaking the ancient language and it doesn't take me any more than three or four minutes to have the entire room exactly where I need them to be. And they'll have no memory of anything except me talking.
Q: Just with the sound of your voice?
A: They'll remember what I say, but they don't remember what happens. What happens is some people will start nodding and I'll say 'Eyes open!' and snap them out of it. Some of them will all tell you if they ask them they see me glow or my hands will move or change colors for them. But that's because they're in a trance, but they're wide awake and have no idea they're in a trance. And what do I do with them? I teach them how to ... mostly I take away the large urges. I can't completely take away urge for sure because nobody can do that. But I can bring it down enough so that if the person says 'no' and means it, they can walk away. So what they start to learn over time is to walk away. And the more they walk away, the stronger it becomes easier for them to do.
Q: It happens over three visits?
A: Three visits. And it takes me 11-12 hours to get each person exactly where I need them to be so that they can handle it away from me.
Q: And for those who come in skeptical about hypnosis? Do they have to be in the right mindset to be hypnotized or do you get them anyway?
A: I get them anyway.
Q: And you can't explain that?
A: I was born able to ... I'm actually a mentalist. How do you explain that? That's something that's a little different. Do you know what I mean? I can ...
Q: What does that mean?
A: I can leave thoughts in people's minds by simply locking eyes with them. I don't know how to explain that.
Q: Is that part of what you do?
A: Mmm, hmm. Yeah. Which is why I really can't teach anybody to do it. I tried. I saw somewhere around 150 hypnotists and I couldn't get anybody to do what I could do. Not a one. The young man that you saw out there wearing a key on his shirt. I've taught him and he's good at working with people with smoking and anxiety. He's very good, but I haven't yet ... in all my years … been able to teach anyone what I do.
Q: So you're a different kind of deal?
A: Yeah. It's, it's probably ... I have autism. I'm autistic. I don't do well in social situations outside of my work and I have to have certain colors around me and shapes. I'm very ... my friends tell me 'you're different but you're okay'. But somehow with the quirky things, I have, I also have a few gifts. I've been called a savant with some of the things that I can do and I decided to put it together and help people. I learned ... when they are talking about the old people ... when I was six years old, they let me play in nursing homes because I couldn't play with other kids. I wasn't normal. I didn't talk right. I didn't ... I found when I worked with the old people that I could take away their pain from their arthritis. I found out when I was six that when I played with the old people, I could take away their pain and all of their diabetes went away. All of it. Everybody. It went away.
Q: That just sounds so bizarre. It sounds odd.
A: That's why I can't teach what I do. So I use hypnosis techniques, things that I know and foods that change the, the pain and discomfort and addictions in the body. You take them away and then I slowly teach the people how to re-, re-introduce once they have their bodies under control.
Q: Are you battling their addictions? Is that the bottom line?
A: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Q: And it's not that your clients come in here and start with the belief they can do it?
A: No. They come in ... I've seen lawyers. I've seen judges. You wouldn't believe how many judges have sat in my room and you know how they control a room. And they'll sit right here. I see a lot of sports figures, a lot of sports figures, come in here. And I make them sit with everyone else. They don't get a private session. They don't. You sit in the room. And police officers and ... these are people who are used to being in control. Military people. I fill the room with all those people. And it isn't that they ever have to give me control. I don't want your control. I want to give you control. And actually, the stronger-willed a human being is, the more I can give them.
Q: Don't be offended but its $600 per person for three sessions. That's a lot of money coming in … Some might think it's a scam. But then you look and see all of these people who have lost weight, so is it a scam?
A: It's a lot of work for me. A lot of work. And it's four hours of hard work. And I have to keep all these people in hypnosis. I get them all in within a few minutes and they've got to stay there for four hours. It is work, like, stage work. Like an actor who has to keep uh.. When they're doing like a comedian show, they have to keep the people laughing. There can't be a lull. I cannot stop and sip anything. I have barely enough time if I have to put Chapstick on and I have to wait until I can hit my lips. There's no drinking anything. It is constant work and my body has to continually move. If my body stops moving, they fall out of hypnosis. So I use my body and my language and its constant hard work and I can't skip a beat. I can't lose a thought. And it's hard work.
Q: And nobody is complaining about the cost.
A: Nobody. And you know, and I don't advertise. I don't go looking for anyone. I never did. I just sit and people come and that's it. And then I finally had to hire people because I couldn't handle the inflow and now I'm up to three secretaries and there's only me.
Q: Tell me about the waiting list.
A: My waiting list is almost 3000 people long.
Q: So if our viewers wanted to come here and take part in this … ?
A: It would take about three to four months to get in. They tell them six because you know, what if we have a bad snow storm and things get bumped up. But we're usually about four to five months out.
Q: You are not a dietician and have no formal training in nutrition?
A: They (the clients) know what good food is.
Q: Your diet is based on equal parts meat and equal parts vegetables?
A: Lean meats. Very lean and vegetables.
Q: Is it healthy?
A: Yes. At least one third of my clients all come here by doctors. Is it healthy to cut a person's stomach up and tie it up so they can't eat? And people die from going in on that. Or do you think fresh vegetables and lean meats on a beautiful plate done up? And if you do things right, corn is grain. It is fresh grain. You just didn't dry it. And they can have ears of corn. They can have twelve ears of corn as long as they eat twelve chicken breasts with it. They can have beets, which have as much sugar as sugar cane. They can have carrots and peas and tomatoes, which is a fruit. And lemons and limes. They have butternut squash, acorn - which carries as much starch as a potato - they can have ... all the vegetables you can think of. You know, people say 'oh, you gotta have bananas because there's potassium. 13:07 Well, what people don't realize is that there's 152 milligrams of potassium in a banana, but there's 162 milligrams of potassium in six leaves of romaine lettuce. So what makes a banana no good is its starch and sugar content.
Q: What about concept of calories in/calories out?
A: Calories don't count. There is no such thing as calories on my diet. They can eat 10,000 calories a day if that's what they need. And they all still lose weight. There's the thing no one can understand that I do.
Q: So how do you explain what you do?
A: I ask their bodies not to absorb them. Now you don't want to be putting that on because they'll think you're crazy.
Q: I probably will put that on because it's different.
A: It is what I do. I ask their bodies to allow them to absorb what they need and I don't touch anybody, which means through hypnosis, their bodies had the ability to do this in the first place. Do you see?
I ask their bodies not to absorb the extra calories so that the person can eat what they need until they get control. And they slowly but surely - as they get control - drop the amount of calories they take out. Do you know if you told me not to touch that table, that's the thing I'd want to do. But if you said 'nah, you don't ever have to touch that table if you don't want to', you know what I mean? Then, you know, you wouldn't care. But if you told me not to, then I'd do it. So if you take away somebody's calories their body wants it so bad they're miserable. But if they can have all they want, then they don't need it.
Q: So you subscribe to the ‘eat when you're hungry' philosophy?
A: Eat when you're hungry, not when you're not. It's all different than anything anybody's ever done.
A: It's ... see. You're trying to break it down as a diet and did you hear them say it's not a diet. It's not a diet at all. There's no calorie counting. There's no limit to the amount they can eat or how often they can eat.
Q: Do they self-limit?
A: They don't self-limit. They slowly let it go. The obsession gets let go. I work with what forces them to not be able to stop.
Q: How much is science to you and how much is something that nobody will ever be able to understand?
A: I say it's all science. Because I can see it and understand it. I hear a language you just don't. It's a language to the body. Example: if there was a deaf child on this floor and make believe she's never seen a car. So I don't know that. So I look at her and go like this (makes motion as if moving steering wheel back and forth) thinking you know, ‘you want to take a ride?' And she thinks 'what, do you want to punch me?' Because she doesn't know what I just did? So I grab my key fob and I take the little hand and we head out to the car, push the buttons, open the door, the windshield wipers, the squirters, the high beams ... do all that. You know what? Whether it's one year later or sixty years later, if I look at the girl and go like this (moving steering wheel), she'll remember the car. But if I had to teach her windshield wipers, squirter, high beams - all those things - how long would that take her to learn? Yet, one body movement will put that back in her mind so fast without any words. The body thinks in sounds and body movements. So while I'm teaching these people what to do, I talk to their bodies with body movements and sounds. And I can put a thought in their mind without ever speaking it.
Q: So how does that translate into their lives?
A: Because their bodies need to be talked to, not just them. Their bodies are the ones being abused and hurt. So if you speak to the body in a language it understands while you teach the human being how to take care of it, when the two of them come together, they just stop overeating. And they become happy. Every person I work with will tell you they're happy. They're elated almost.
Q: We asked … and you brought these folks in for us. They're all success stories.
A: But I could have brought in 1,000. We only put it up for a day and we filled this room.
Q: Do you ever have people who say it doesn't work for them?
A: My success rate has stayed roughly about 95-98%.
Q: And those who don't succeed?
A: They want instant where they didn't care about food and they didn't have to do any work and they say it: 'I thought it was going to be easier. I didn't have to do anything. I thought you were going to hypnotize me and I'd walk out and never care about food again.' I said 'no, that's not how it works. It's a journey and you have to do a little work to get there.'
Q: What's the work?
A: That would take 12 hours to explain.
Q: This diet philosophy ... is meat and vegetables in equal proportions.
A: But the combinations of food so that the body is missing no sugars, no grains, no starches and all the vitamins they would have gotten from their ... fruits.
Q: Do people take notes so they know what they should be eating?
A: There is no notes allowed in my room!
Q: Okay ... because?
A: Because I am teaching the body and the body can't do that. That little girl didn't need to write down to remember this (steering wheel) did she? You'll remember that forever. If I saw you ten years from now and walked up to you and went like this (steering wheel), you'd remember the car and the story I told you. Do you see, if you teach the body, it'll learn forever? Ride a bike when you're five and you can ride it again when you're 55. The body never forgets. So while I'm talking to the human, I've learned a way with body movements and sounds to teach the body what it's supposed to do and the body is what craves the sugar and the body is what the problem is. And when the human and the body don't understand what's happening, they lose control. So I teach the body while I'm teaching the human and it works.
Q: Any one else can replicate this?
A: No, and I told you, I figured it out as a little girl.
Q: So you consider yourself having a gift?
A: I don't consider it, but people tell me it is. I think it's something I can just do, like drawing. Some people can draw and other people can play music beautiful. Or someone, fashion. Or ... me. I can find a way to get the body to listen. And I started playing with ... I think it was about nine (nursing) homes. They took me to the elderly and I played in ... all the time and found that I could get their bodies to not hurt or to be able to sleep better or their diabetes went away. And when I figured I could do that .That was kind of fun because I'm a little kid. And then I found that the heavier people that couldn't move, I found a way to talk to them and they lost weight and I've just been using it all my life. So it's like asking somebody how you draw. That's as honest as I can be.
Q: It's hard to wrap your head around this whole idea.
A: It is. It is. I know it is because everyone in my room will come up to me after the third visit and say 'I don't know what happened. I came in here thinking you know, this was another one of those scams, another one of those things. My wife talked me into it. My girlfriend talked me into it.' You know what I mean? And then they come up to me and they say 'I'm sorry for what I thought." I hear it all the time. They say 'I don't know what you did, but I feel better and I don't feel trapped with food and I don't feel that I have to eat it all the time' and 'what did you do?' And all I say is 'you just keep doing what you know you can do. You can do this. I am here. You need me. I am here.'
Q: And eventually they can re-introduce foods?
A: Of course they can. You can't take that away forever. That would be wrong. You know, if you're trying to wax a floor, you don't keep putting wax on it. After a while it's going to build up in the corners. At some point, you got to strip it down and re-wax it. What I do is strip them down and slowly give it back. And this way, they have it in their hands. They have it in their own control.
Q: And when they're in the trance, you're not trying to convince them to sign up for other things?
A: Oh, are you kidding me? You can't make people do that. Are you kidding? That is silly. That is silly. You can't make anybody do that. I don't make them do anything. Do you know I don't know? They sign up and pay before I ever meet them. I've never met them. You don't see my face on a billboard out there or in the newspapers. I'm not anywhere. I don't advertise.
Q: You named your business "The Key Hypnosis" and a number of your clients where skeleton key necklaces. What's the deal with the key?
A: My grandpa. I was ... I was a very strange child. Very. I didn't speak right. I walked all the time. I'm autistic but I wasn't as autistic. They had misdiagnosed me that I was mildly retarded. Okay? And um ... what happened is they found out when I was little that I could read minds. I read them very well actually. And that's how I can get in and talk to the bodies. So my grandpa spent a lot of time with me, all the time. And one time he asked me a question or gave me an answer and I had asked him the question. And I didn't understand it and I got upset and he said 'I'll take you to see older people than me.' And he was the one who took me to the nursing homes. That's how it got started with me. And my grandpa spent so much time with me and he had this key fob that folded three ways and when you opened it, it had these rings that the key flipped out. And he had a skeleton key on it that he said his grandpa built the house that his father and he was born in. The house was gone but he had the key. And when he died, I got the key. And I went in to get my tax number - I'm going to open this business, you know ... And it's very hard for me to do things. I can't ... I can read but not like you think. And I can't write. Still can't write. I started learning when I was about 25 and I'm still not good at it. And I stood in front of the lady and she said 'what's the name of your business?' Well, I hadn't thought of that. And I all of a sudden remembered that morning I saw my grandpa's key in my jewelry box and I said 'The Key'. So that is the name of the key. (Laughs)
Q: And the keys are everywhere.
A: Everywhere. They think it's the key to their success, the key to unlocking their power. I don't know how they got all that, but I wear a key in memory of my grandpa and up until you know, about 20 years ago, I actually wore the skeleton key. Do you know what I mean? Until I got better keys and then I just changed him. But I still have his key. So, you know, I honestly don't know how to tell you what I do. That's the truth. I … I'm not even going to lie and tell you 'oh, I know exactly what I'm doing.' I guess whatever silly thing I was born with when I played around in those nursing homes and figured out with those old people, I learned how to do. Then for years, people used me doing this. They did. For studies and all sorts of stuff. And I kept ... my mother kept my name quiet and I traveled around doing it and mostly what I did, I cleaned houses. All my life I cleaned houses. Twenty years, that's what I did for a living. Poor. Cleaned houses. And did this for people for pretty much free. And then one day I said I've got to be able to do this for myself. I've got to be able to do this for myself. But the hours that I put into it ... The minimum week for me is - and I'm talking steady hours, no break , go to the bathroom - is 60 hours of work. It's hard work.
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